http://s.b-a.link/?q=router+spookware 3 results for 'router spookware' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for router spookware, 3 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Thu Feb 26 02:45:04... ...UTC 2015 *asciilifeform: how does one* procure... http://s.b-a.link/?q=menstrual+cookies 3 results for 'menstrual cookies' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for menstrual cookies, 3 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Nov 25 01:51:33 UTC 2015 <*asciilifeform> y'know, the one* with menstrual cookies... http://s.b-a.link/?q=faircoin 11 results for 'faircoin' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for faircoin, 11 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Nov 02 13:59:56 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> was 'faircoin' one* of those idiocies... http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashlife 7 results for 'hashlife' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for hashlife, 7 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Mon Apr 20 23:54:36 UTC 2015... ...54:32 UTC 2014 <*asciilifeform> there's exactly one* - 'hashlife' http://s.b-a.link/?q=covox 6 results for 'covox' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for covox, 6 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Tue Feb 17 18:12:13 UTC 2015... ...04 UTC 2014 <*asciilifeform> original (which no one* i know ever... http://s.b-a.link/?q=orphan+tx 12 results for 'orphan tx' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for orphan tx, 12 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Thu Mar 03 17:33:20 UTC 2016... ...05 00:48:31 UTC 2015 <*asciilifeform> if no one* had an orphan tx... http://s.b-a.link/?q=ephialtes 14 results for 'ephialtes' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for ephialtes, 14 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sat Apr 11 03:04:13 UTC 2015... ...21 UTC 2014 <*asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the one* in question... http://s.b-a.link/?q=blit 11 results for 'blit' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for blit, 11 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Jan 13 00:22:26 UTC 2016... ...Mar 21 02:52:44 UTC 2015 <*asciilifeform> but the one* featured... http://s.b-a.link/?q=damnatio+memoriae 9 results for 'damnatio memoriae' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for damnatio memoriae, 9 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Thu Jun 25 02:53:41... ...59:24 UTC 2014 <*asciilifeform> for shitgnomes, only one* correct... http://s.b-a.link/?q=eurion 7 results for 'eurion' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for eurion, 7 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Mon Mar 23 15:17:08 UTC 2015 <*asciilifeform> 'eurion' is just one* of the unknown number of traps... http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+bourbaki 18 results for 'from:asciilifeform bourbaki' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for from:asciilifeform bourbaki, 18 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sun Jun 19... ...09:21 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> kakobrekla: this one*, like many... http://s.b-a.link/?q=protocol+promise 30 results for 'protocol promise' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for protocol promise, 30 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Mar 23 19:25:35... ...57:42 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: the one* thing i will... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-22 tmsr - Log 2017-09-22 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-09-21 ⏐ ︎2017-09-23... ...Late Heroin Trafficker *asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on one* hand, yes... http://s.b-a.link/?q=minsky 30 results for 'minsky' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for minsky, 30 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Apr 12 11:40:21 UTC 2017... ...26 13:01:47 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> 'But, in one* of his last... http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotor 360 results for 'rotor' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for rotor, 360 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Fri Sep 16 11:05:17 UTC 2016... ...25:02 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> but no one*, to date - rotor. Mon... http://s.b-a.link/?q=gpg4win 22 results for 'gpg4win' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for gpg4win, 22 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Thu May 05 16:37:05 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> except, recently, one* fella, who indicated... http://s.b-a.link/?q=dopamine+reuptake 10 results for 'dopamine reuptake' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for dopamine reuptake, 10 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Sep 23 02:19:11... ...BingoBoingo> *asciilifeform: Consider bupropion, the one* USG... http://s.b-a.link/?q=longitude 10 results for 'longitude' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for longitude, 10 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Thu Mar 10 21:33:00 UTC 2016... ...Mar 10 21:32:23 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> the one* who eventually... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-15 tmsr - Log 2019-05-15 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-05-14 ⏐ ︎2019-05-16... ...someone srsly uses adobe ?*asciilifeform: at one* time i tried to find... ...Logged on 2019-05-15 16:35 *asciilifeform: at one* time i tried to find... http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22orphanage+burner%22 17 results for '"orphanage burner"' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for "orphanage burner", 17 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sat Jan 16 03:25:11... ...UTC 2015 <*asciilifeform> (the 'orphanage burner' one*) Sat Apr... http://s.b-a.link/?q=symbolics+3620 12 results for 'symbolics 3620' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for symbolics 3620, 12 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sat Jun 13 01:11:51 UTC... ...28 15:48:15 UTC 2014 <*asciilifeform> kakobrekla: the older one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-09 tmsr - Log 2017-09-09 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-09-08 ⏐ ︎2017-09-10... ...loL!! ☟︎*asciilifeform: didjaknow, didjaknow, 'one*... ...Logged on 2017-09-09 02:10 *asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin, one* of the oldest... http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo 947 results for 'pogo' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for pogo, 947 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Mar 29 15:01:33 UTC 2017 <*asciilifeform> pankkake: 'pogo' has one*, but no battery Fri Aug 12... http://s.b-a.link/?q=glass+cannon 18 results for 'glass cannon' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for glass cannon, 18 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Tue Apr 26 20:13:44 UTC... ...22 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> btw gox is one* possible candidate... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-13 tmsr - Log 2019-06-13 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-06-12 ⏐ ︎2019-06-14... ...javid << lol preetBingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: No one* else was putting... http://s.b-a.link/?q=parachute 132 results for 'parachute' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for parachute, 132 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sun Mar 12 15:36:02 UTC... ...55:22 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> kakobrekla: one* of the reasons... http://s.b-a.link/?q=worthless 527 results for 'worthless' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for worthless, 527 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Mon Dec 18 20:13:52 UTC... ...19 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> punkman: i have one* of those also... http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo+from%3Aasciilifeform 213 results for 'pogo from:asciilifeform' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for pogo from:asciilifeform, 213 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Wed Mar 29 15:01:33 UTC 2017 <*asciilifeform> pankkake: 'pogo' has one*... http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform 112680 results for 'from:asciilifeform' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for from:asciilifeform, 112680 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sun May 31 16... ...23:25:56 UTC 2019 <*asciilifeform> ( btw phf at one* pt actually... http://s.b-a.link/?q=wget+-m 87 results for 'wget -m' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for wget -m, 87 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sun Nov 27 17:59:56 UTC 2016... ...22:23:07 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> the one* where curl and wget... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-26 tmsr - Log 2017-11-26 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-11-25 ⏐ ︎2017-11-27... ...1743129 << is *asciilifeform the only one* who had some hope... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-23 tmsr - Log 2017-09-23 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-09-22 ⏐ ︎2017-09-24... ...1716716 << i'm with *asciilifeform on that one*, there are worse fates... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-23 tmsr - Log 2018-07-23 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-07-22 ⏐ ︎2018-07-24... ...keep publishing him' *asciilifeform: 'Eric Adelberger, one*... ...house', etcmircea_popescu: was re <*asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-15 tmsr - Log 2017-10-15 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-10-14 ⏐ ︎2017-10-16... ...whaddayamean 'without ttyUSB..'*asciilifeform: i.e. after plugging one*... http://s.b-a.link/?q=compression 54 results for 'compression' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for compression, 54 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sat Nov 10 09:43:33 UTC... ...UTC 2015 *asciilifeform: Turbocharger is the one*... http://peterl.xyz/2019/10/regarding-v/ Regarding V « Blog of Peter Lambert Blog of Peter Lambert mentis supra materia « Meme of the day by Raelani Post vs Article » Regarding V In this post I would like... ...signed that vpatch. As *Asciilifeform explained in a one* line summary... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26 #trilema | 2019-08-26 ...web/swat.php *asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc that one* was actually... ...obvious by now *asciilifeform: hey asciilifeform one* time sat... ...globe, let's pick a jungle' BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: Well, one*... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28 #trilema | 2019-08-28 ...banhammer roster ) BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: That's one* level... ...wish" outreach victims. *asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one* time... ...think of as grammar gnarl. *asciilifeform: perhaps one* day jp will rip... http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard 179 results for 'lizard' - #bitcoin-assets search home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki Matches for lizard, 179 total results Sorted by newest | relevance Sun Dec 17 04:50:28 UTC 2017... ...18:20:09 UTC 2016 <*asciilifeform> on one* hand, it is the last... http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-08-28 #trilema | 2019-08-28 ...banhammer roster ) BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: That's one* level... ...wish" outreach victims. *asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one* time... ...think of as grammar gnarl. *asciilifeform: perhaps one* day jp will rip... http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ The practical costs of hallucinated freedom on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. This will require some buildup, so let's load up the relevant... ...pain to separate. *asciilifeform this one* is mylarized. still pain... ...desert innit now. *asciilifeform tru!! one* catch : ain't nobody... http://trilema.com/2015/the-huge-language-issue/ The huge language issue on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. When Trilema was started, it was designed and intended as a Romanian language personal blog. Things, obviously, never work as intended... ...change them yearly. *asciilifeform Or use one* made 20+ yrs ago. Adlai... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-05 tmsr - Log 2019-05-05 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-05-04 ⏐ ︎2019-05-06... ...asciilifeform: lol!!*asciilifeform: nfi how one* might come upon... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-13 tmsr - Log 2016-10-13 log☇︎ ← ︎2016-10-12 ⏐ ︎2016-10-14... ...make them compete?ben_vulpes: *asciilifeform: how does one* get... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09 tmsr - Log 2019-04-09 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-04-08 ⏐ ︎2019-04-10... ...wat's a 'zumba' ?mp_en_viaje: *asciilifeform, you know, one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-29 tmsr - Log 2019-01-29 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-01-28 ⏐ ︎2019-01-30... ...orlol on ukrazuela. *asciilifeform: '...Bolton did one* better... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-13 tmsr - Log 2017-05-13 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-05-12 ⏐ ︎2017-05-14... ...banned smoking in prison!*asciilifeform: ( iirc one* d00d even sued... ...dildo?!*asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu own one*??mircea_popescu... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-03 tmsr - Log 2016-04-03 log☇︎ ← ︎2016-04-02 ⏐ ︎2016-04-04... ...think i posted that *asciilifeform: or possibly one* of my old... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2017 #bitcoin-assets log home | log | search | bash | PREV: 16-05-2017 hide bots links only kindergarten NEXT: 18-05-2017 Transcript for 17-05-2017, 148 lines... ...well somebody, evidently, pays. 17:12:43 *asciilifeform: i for one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-10 tmsr - Log 2019-05-10 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-05-09 ⏐ ︎2019-05-11... ...subj d00d, write to'im.*asciilifeform: ( iirc at one* time he linked... https://irclog.whitequark.org/linux-rockchip/2018-07-12 #linux-rockchip on 2018-07-12 — irc logs at whitequark.org 19:14 UTC < July 2018 > Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31... ...now known as lurchi_ 23:24 <*asciilifeform> amstan: the one* i built... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-20 #ossasepia | 2019-07-20 asciilifeformtherealbitcoinagriculturalsupremacyossasepiaspykedalethepedia1h 21m13d 5h 41m14h 12m15h 58m1d 23h 32m13h 18m Show Idle (>14 d... ...http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/ *asciilifeform: shrysr: that one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-28 tmsr - Log 2018-09-28 ...toolset ready.mircea_popescu: *asciilifeform wanna run one* with .1 s... ...dun even carry the port # )*asciilifeform: i for one* would rather... ...Logged on 2018-09-28 15:13 *asciilifeform: i for one* would rather... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15 tmsr - Log 2017-04-15 ...1634423 < lat,longitude? *asciilifeform went to one* that used... ...honey."*asciilifeform: myographasciilifeform: i have one* here.mi... ...analogue boards in it, presently)*asciilifeform: mod6: tested one* unit... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-09-26 #trilema | 2016-09-26 ...champ has been ~phuctored~ yet *asciilifeform: 'Submissions with One*... ...recaptcha" still there. *asciilifeform: that one* ain't going nowhere... ...aha trinque yes *asciilifeform: that one*. asciilifeform: trinque... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-17 tmsr - Log 2016-03-17 ...yeah maybe she could huhmod6: *asciilifeform (who is one* arm shy... ...mircea_popescu: anyways *asciilifeform : ever heard of one* calogero... ...fuse also!*asciilifeform: and if one* opencircuits ?asciilifeform... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-19 #trilema | 2019-07-19 ...make it different from v / *asciilifeform: at one* pt i thought same re... ...call mp_en_viaje: *asciilifeform, of course, if one's* doing server... ...stone is gnat. *asciilifeform: iirc at one* time mp suggested... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-01-27 #trilema | 2017-01-27 ...contract' sector. *asciilifeform: (rather than , as one* could naively... ...human services expert analyst" *asciilifeform: never been one*... ...hopefully there's such a limit naturally. *asciilifeform: imho one*... http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/ Working with Ideals and Perfections « Ossa Sepia ...thank you *asciilifeform: diana_coman: post plaintext one*, possibly... ...like i found the boojum *asciilifeform: this was one* of those pieces... ...diff sad.txt happy.txt *asciilifeform: ^ null asciilifeform: ( one*... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-03-30 #trilema | 2017-03-30 ...bootstrap ? *asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 1st one*, funnily... ...s/see/say *asciilifeform: Framedragger: iirc at one* time ericsson... ...next shitoshi. *asciilifeform: ( is the last one* entirely worn... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-05-13 #trilema | 2018-05-13 ...http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 *asciilifeform: ( specifically one*... ...meet its maker. *asciilifeform: i.e. one* investor's 500k builds a co2... ...hands growing from arse *asciilifeform: ( try and, one* day, build one... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-27 tmsr - Log 2017-11-27 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-11-26 ⏐ ︎2017-11-28... ...lives, watmircea_popescu: where ?*asciilifeform: there's one* not far... ...ciilifeform: and in 2012..*asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : ~one*~ failure... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04 tmsr - Log 2017-11-04 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-11-03 ⏐ ︎2017-11-05... ...asciilifeform: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/Police-Lakeland-man-71-refused-orders-dies-after-police-confrontation_162282650 << fresh one mircea_popescu: "dies" "after confrontation".asciilifeform: some % are 'assisted suicides'mircea_popescu: i expect when i finally execute whoever's then sitting on the inca throne, they'll print "ex US president dies after MP confrontation"mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, notice how it's all males ? how about some fucking gender equality ? where's the "women in police shootings" workgroup ?asciilifeform: ( what whatever reason, convincing police to shoot is a popular suicide method in usaschwitz. rather like it was in orig auschwitz. )mircea_popescu: "whatever reason", yes.asciilifeform: hey it's a pretty effective method -- entire firing squad, 'for free', on callasciilifeform: ( in mega-b00k re 'evil fyoootoor' , 'stand on zanzibar', this process becomes a proper service, for which they charge, and you can get not only firing squad but whatever you like, burning at the stake, guillotine, etc. ) ☟︎asciilifeform: incidentally phunphakt re usa : it is virtually never usg.proper that hunts for radio piratesasciilifeform: it is normally the crown-licensed user of the 'trespassed' spectrum, who rats him out. in almost all cases on the public record -- 'licensed amateurs'asciilifeform: they'll work for phree, for weeks, charging usg 0, to find the vreditel'mircea_popescu: aha. sort-of like "moderators" on usg walled gardensasciilifeform: exactly likeasciilifeform: to this day i puzzle over what is the appeal of 'licensed amateur radio'mircea_popescu: cuckolds, dood.asciilifeform: as i currently understand, it is a kind of primitive voice-powered usenet group, with the diff that you can get gestapo to pick up spammersasciilifeform: there is also quite a bit of fixation, among the aficionados, on the physical process of building the radios, stringing antennae through treetops, and other minutiae.mircea_popescu: dja recall i mocked at some point, i dun recall if here or on trilema, this wikipedia tard who posted something like "oh, i'm trying to help by being an officious intermeddler on this here admin board, until someone tells me to stop" ?asciilifeform: exactly like the 'cypherpunks' as described by phf in old threadmircea_popescu: many many years ago. but the item is exactly descriptive. one day, white petrus shows up at so and so office, starts picking up the trash and acting as if he works there for visitors.asciilifeform: ( incidentally the other day asciilifeform finally met phf in meatland ) ☟︎mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe this turns into a job ? if he gets ensconced neough ?asciilifeform: lol!asciilifeform: was this the fetlife thingmircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, exactly like kanzure and friends. they've nothing to do with the topic they discuss, but they do enjoy the attention from you know, "authority".mircea_popescu: so... nsa wants to keep in touch with the whatever community, and idle tards of ~same value as a pig their size want to be kept in touch with.mircea_popescu: out of their happy interaction, a whole alt-world of no impact and no importance.mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, some wikipedia bureaucracy thing.asciilifeform: between all of this, usg does still enforce its monopoly on long-range telecom.mircea_popescu: i've never verified this theory.asciilifeform: i haven't verified that the 3rd rail in the underground is 800 volts hot, yet, either.mircea_popescu: well, once you finally get triphase installed you may then be surprised.asciilifeform: orig point being that directionfinder gear makes life unreasonably easy for the enemymircea_popescu: enemy is long lost to this life.mircea_popescu: but that practical consideration aside, obviously nothing wrong with doing things right.deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-october-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2017 Statement mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732882 << o yeah ? what's he up to these days. ☝︎a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 14:45 asciilifeform: ( incidentally the other day asciilifeform finally met phf in meatland )asciilifeform: i'll let the man speak for himselfasciilifeform: ( iirc he was stuck with unpleasant meatspace chores for a long while. )mircea_popescu: evidently.asciilifeform: also met a phriend of his, who asked not to be named, who traded 2 bolix 'ivory' cpus for asciilifeform's 1 bolix-3620 .mircea_popescu: same ol' disaster of commons. when it comes to it, erryone's got something to do at home.asciilifeform: oh upstack re radios, the 'why not use aperidic wave, and entire spectrum' thing was of course not long ago hannobockized and redhatized by usg shills, as 'uwb (ultrawideband)' and 'regulated' and other rubbish. ☟︎asciilifeform: *aperiodicasciilifeform: they sit around and 'make rules' for it, same as 'for blockchain laundering' etc.mircea_popescu: gotta kill the time somehow.mircea_popescu: romanian expression is "taie frunza la ciini", ie, divide leaves among the dogs.apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732826 << I understood that, and it seems doubtful ☝︎a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 14:18 asciilifeform: apeloyee: q was, is it possible to transmit in such a way that for someone without the key, there ~is~ no 'signals received'apeloyee: if enemy has only one receiver, you canshinohai is now thoroughly depressed after reading October s.qntr statementmircea_popescu: meanwhile in other reichs, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNuc6q4V4AEaDTf.jpg apeloyee: asciilifeform: in one receiver case, one can detect a narrowband transmission using autocorrelation; in case of "aperiodic" whatever, one can detect a spatially fixed transmitter by measuring correlation between signals of two stations. of course, in practice one would need to use many pairs (or a clever algorithm I cannot now think of), and filter known stationsapeloyee: two stations won't let you recover the signal, of course; just know something's there as soon as it transmitted enough bits (literally!)apeloyee: *have transmittedmircea_popescu: apeloyee maybe i'm missing something. how do you distinguish this "something" from "people turned on their electric stoves" say ?asciilifeform: apeloyee: transmitter does not have to be a point sourceasciilifeform: can just as easily be, say, 17 sources geographically dispersed , working in concertapeloyee: by using stronger signal than the stoves. if you try to be below noise, you would transmit slowly, and thus still not evade max # of bits.mircea_popescu: apeloyee do you have an idea how loud random events get ?apeloyee: can just as easily be, say, 17 sources geographically dispersed , working in concert << you would not particuraly need fancy modulations thenmircea_popescu: for instance : the majority of low clouds passing over this here observation point are em-louder than CG-73.mircea_popescu: (item got reliably measured because in the 90s they were derping about putting a d-fluorine mw laser on it.)apeloyee: clouds move. otoh if the suspected source keeps transmitting...apeloyee: I concede I don't have a good estimate as to the amount of information a fixed location's good formircea_popescu: all sorts of phenomena intercede. clouds is an example, but the point is that "noise floor" is not JUST a floor, but also randomly distributed perturbations, which during a whole day can reach significant amplitudes.asciilifeform: apeloyee: what i'd like is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-02#1732165 + if you ~do~ somehow detect the fact-of the transmission, it ought to look exactly like the source had wings and zipped randomly around the continent. ☝︎a111: Logged on 2017-11-02 19:50 asciilifeform: at any rate drawing a plot like http://www.oliviamode.com/OliviaView.htm should not be possible for proper item. mircea_popescu: apeloyee take an actually publicly-documented example : most crews tend to turn off the auto-return-fire thingee because left to its own devices it wastes all the ammo.mircea_popescu: this is a much more reliable sound-detection with satellite support itemmircea_popescu: in general, the only thing a "find me an em shrubbery" produces reliably are false positives.asciilifeform: incidentally, rf 'fox hunting' is at this point a traditional sport in ru, and the 'fox' is always found . ☟︎asciilifeform: it isn't a particularly mysterious process.apeloyee: it wastes all the ammo.<< if ammo would be cheap they wouldn't.mircea_popescu: not by purely passive em methods i expectasciilifeform: passive.mircea_popescu: apeloyee ammo is always expensive even if free, for a purely ecological reason. you don't want your space too filled with ordnance.mircea_popescu: that's how friendly fire happens.mircea_popescu: asciilifeform then i guess foxes use hunter-provided equipment.apeloyee: if there's truly that many perturbations, they will also make difficult for the intended recipient to receive correctly.mircea_popescu: i expect so, yes.asciilifeform: well it's a sport, they use agreed-upon standard item, just like both tennis players get same type of racket, etcasciilifeform: apeloyee: difficult is ok. so long as for intended man -- possible, for the unintended -- impossible.mircea_popescu: apeloyee narrowness of band was the original attempt to get out of this. the narrower the band the "better" the reception in the sense of fewer natural perturbations. which is what drove the move to diodes and then ic.mircea_popescu: (no, ic was not made for ocmputers. ic was made for naval comms.)asciilifeform: even if it takes, say, a whole minute to move a byte.mircea_popescu: if you use wide spectrums, you get back to the problem of, "nature has more energy to burn than you do"apeloyee: if you have more transmitters than enemy has receivers "in the area" (precise meaning is a legit research q), then you can hide from the enemy, otherwise, you will be eventually found.mircea_popescu: this is an interesting formalization.asciilifeform: idea is that for the enemy, without the key, you are below noise floor; but for the intended recipient, who knows how to look -- above.mircea_popescu: apeloyee suppose what is transmitted is an equivalent of the "number stations" of old. minus, of course, the girly voice.mircea_popescu: if i actually transmit fg output, do you expect you'll ever find ?asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends how transmit. if with carrier -- than trivially foundasciilifeform: ( as all existing radios use )mircea_popescu: i thought the discussion was carierlessasciilifeform: even without carrier, possible to find. consider usg's adventure in vietnam, where they picked up spark plug noise from trucks on ho chi min trail.apeloyee: if you use wide spectrums, you get back to the problem of, "nature has more energy to burn than you do" << I'm unsure. Shannon-Hartley thorem sez that at least in its conditions, using as wide spectrum as poosible is optimal.apeloyee: *theoremmircea_popescu: apeloyee but this is relevant if you already know there's a signal theremircea_popescu: ie, it establishes maximum rate, not some kind of "minimum rate of relevancy"apeloyee: i meant optimal for the sender and his expected recipient, not eavesdropper.mircea_popescu: ah ah. yes.mircea_popescu: optimal does mean many surprising things though.mircea_popescu: also, real noise is not so gaussian, but anyway.mircea_popescu: (imo the best model of "real noise" in this sense is perusing the SETI reports, or else any major, indiscriminate dataset of radiotelescopy. THAT is how natural noise goes. with the occasional neutron star and the occasional "holy shit" scribbled in pen)asciilifeform: ( admittedly spark plug 'fox hunt' worx great in the otherwise rf-quiet jungle, but would not in a city or anywhere remotely industrialized )apeloyee: real noise is not so gaussian << true. but still means must solve the q of optimal bandwidth each timemircea_popescu: or at least get a decent approximation.mircea_popescu: the problem with "natural noise" is that there's so many local maxima.apeloyee: maxima of what?mircea_popescu: of anything.mircea_popescu: however you define your function, the principal distinction between gaussian and natural noise is that the former is smooth.apeloyee: ??mircea_popescu: yeees ?asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately noise is not a scalar : enemy can distinguish your transmitter from supernovae, strictly from the fact that the latter happen 'in the sky' and the former -- notmircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly ; but this would then match my criteria for "not by purely passive em methods" above.asciilifeform: still passive, he has a triangle of receivers pointing in orthogonal planes.apeloyee: what's smooth noise?mircea_popescu: not ~entirely~ passive, he makes some assumptions on the nature of "using hunter-provided equipment"asciilifeform: whole q, from asciilifeform's pov, is 'what should the fox do, if playing without rules, in battlefield, not in karateka'asciilifeform: naturally fox will make own, rather than using hunter's, gear.mircea_popescu: apeloyee let me take the matter this way : are you familiar with how every "be a graphics artist" software package out there has a coinvolve-with-gaussian "effect" ?mircea_popescu: or for that matter, dja remeber that old "encrypted" penguin logo ?mircea_popescu: that's smooth noise. \ ☟︎asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590007 << subj ☝︎a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 01:46 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all schemes where the transform is of 'payload itself' and 0 entropy, suffer from immediate 'penguin problem', https://blog.filippo.io/content/images/2015/11/Tux_ecb.jpg . mircea_popescu: perhaps not the best term for it, as it's metaphorical rather than descriptive.apeloyee: hm. "nonstationary"?mircea_popescu: i suppose. though really the problem as far as interests here is this : presented with an "aberration", in natural noise you really can't tell whether relevant ; whereas in gaussian noise you generally can guess.mircea_popescu: ie, the very substance of the "fox can be found" argument. yes, if he uses sparkplugs you yourself sold him ; yes, if he lives in a space of gaussian noise ; yes if etc.asciilifeform: 'not using hunter's equipment' still requires a meaningful difference to exist. just as in the case described in old trilema, where some illiterate camel fucker reinvented caesar's cipher ( and unsurprisingly exactly as breakable as if caesar were resurrected and using his , because why not , despite 'not issued by hunter')mircea_popescu: quite, yes.mircea_popescu: it's not indefensible to suspect juche sparkplugs still fucking sparkplugs. perhaps.asciilifeform: so subj is really a restatement of asciilifeform's orig q : how does the fox's equip have to differ from the extant.asciilifeform brb, meatmircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose the correct reference i sohulkd have given re smoothness was weierstrass.mircea_popescu: yes it's true that heat in a rod, or whatever diffusion phenomena are relatively smooth in this sense ; nevertheless em is the least smooth of the entire series.mircea_popescu: gaussian is a decent "middle of the way" representation ; but not so useful when discussing specifically stuff to the extreme one side.mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated lulz : the "womenz in tech" dynastry of aparatchicks over at wikipedia is pretty lulzi : sue gardner's lengthy tenure ended (she was recycled to nsa honeypot "tor project") to be replaced by lila tretikov, two bit russki scammer gal who got sent off (over the whole "knowledge engine" failed wikimedia http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729324 attempt) to be replaced by katherine maher. ☝︎☟︎a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 16:59 mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the bait and switch thing. reddit started life as a sort of 4chan with a jump, ie the little girl's not on the page, but you have to click. this wasn't accidental, because their phase 2 ("growth phase" eh) consisted of the exact value proposition : add your crap to reddit, watch people click on it. once growth stopped they dropped the bait, switched to "we will control the conversation in this ever-so-importanmircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Group_photo_of_Wikimedians_Meetup_With_Katherine_Maher_-_WikiConference_India_-CGC_-IMG_5330.jpg << meanwhile wikipedia ever more relevant. in india. shinohai: What's that a picture of, a fivver developer's meetup?mircea_popescu: hey, outsourcing goes the way it goes.asciilifeform: re: cryptoradio, here's a gedankenexperiment: consider a tx station consisting of 2 separated (by, say, a km+ of cable) transmitters; each sends prng soup across a few 100MHz . modulation of payload is strictly via altering their relative ~amplitudes~ . ☟︎asciilifeform: receiver needs to know 1) prng seed for each 2) the band 3) his physical position relative to the prongs of the stationasciilifeform: the prongs thing is quite like the xor-otp structure removal transform from the ciphers threadasciilifeform: i.e. individually the signals are meaninglessasciilifeform: ( and can just as easily substitute ~actual~ otp in place of the prng, if you like , the exact mechanics of generating the noise waveform are irrelevant other than for the fact that they must be repeatable )asciilifeform: thereby scheme reduces to looking for a truly rngistic signal that at all times is known ~in advance~, but from 2 or more diverging physical directions; and comparing.apeloyee: why 2 instead of 1 of maxint?apeloyee: *or maxintasciilifeform: for same reason you an' i, have 2 eyes ☟︎asciilifeform: and not 3, and not maxint.asciilifeform: 3rd, 4th, ... dun help any.asciilifeform: 1 reduces to convention radio, where the signal carries meaning.asciilifeform: *conventionalmircea_popescu: just about the item i thought was under discussion all along.asciilifeform: what i suspect you get, is something quite like the ultralongwave submarine transmitter, but without the monstrous mains current bills.asciilifeform: ( observe that 'fox hunting' for ulw is ~impractical, not only from sheer physical dimensions of the receiver , but from signal strength being approx same on entire planet, regardless of where you tx from )mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "tasteful" jale, http://78.media.tumblr.com/e7b8852c794718f5d329647c304c8abc/tumblr_nlms8dkUc61s9x1ugo1_1280.jpg mircea_popescu: in other fiat-octopus-withdrawing-from-salt news, https://forum.fiverr.com/t/payment-in-bitcoin/100989 << fiverr discontinues bitcoin payments. 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"danielpbarron: !!invoice diana_coman 1 http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-11-04.log.html#t22:09:48 lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-11-04 22:09:48: danielpbarron, 1 bitcoin pleasedeedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PWVP1/?raw=true danielpbarron: !!v 1CD857A9782D80AA761F36ED949321E599419CF46288092E4A01A6EF47DE4DA3deedbot: Invoiced diana_coman 1 << http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-11-04.log.html#t22:09:48 lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-11-04 22:09:48: danielpbarron, 1 bitcoin please ☟︎mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1733040 << check this shit out ☝︎a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 23:13 lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-11-04 22:09:48: danielpbarron, 1 bitcoin pleaseshinohai: Nice ← ︎2017-11-03 ⏐ ︎2017-11-05 →︎ ...apeloyee: *asciilifeform: in one* receiver case, one can detect... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-10 tmsr - Log 2016-12-10 log☇︎ ← ︎2016-12-09 ⏐ ︎2016-12-11... ...2016-12-09 19:36 *asciilifeform: phf: to quote one* such 'speshul... ...sloth, for instance.asciilifeform: *asciilifeform reads on one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20 tmsr - Log 2016-07-20 ...guilty of ? *asciilifeform: or the last one* ?*asciilifeform: or the one*... ...Daily Decrypt *asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody no one* ? not even... ...beginning of paragraph"*asciilifeform: fair'nuffmircea_popescu: one*... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-12-30 #trilema | 2016-12-30 ...1571809 a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 01:20 *asciilifeform: yeah but one*... ...fleas. asciilifeform: miners. *asciilifeform: i, for one*, would love... ...todd nominally destroyed? *asciilifeform: aha, that one* asciilifeform... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13 #trilema | 2019-08-13 ... ...*asciilifeform: https://tools.pingdom.com/#5b22d518dfc00000 << this one*... ...slow the Peso Argentino's fall. *asciilifeform: ( y'know, the one*... http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17 #trilema | 2019-10-17 ... ...diverse locations. diana_coman: *asciilifeform: anyway, it's one*... ...slower) than to bake new. diana_coman: *asciilifeform: for one* thing... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-17 tmsr - Log 2019-10-17 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-10-16 ⏐ ︎2019-10-18... ...diverse locations.diana_coman: *asciilifeform: anyway, it's one*... ...slower) than to bake new.diana_coman: *asciilifeform: for one* thing... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-24 tmsr - Log 2017-05-24 ...oyu! i want a couch!"*asciilifeform: also what would one* have to smoke... ...rigged yourself. ☟︎*asciilifeform: *eventpete_dushenski: no one*... ...maybe score a success ???mircea_popescu: ...*asciilifeform: not. one*... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-06-29 #trilema | 2017-06-29 ...q=comware *asciilifeform: aah the one* where 'elite team of experts... ...old motorola phone. *asciilifeform: i'm definitely getting one*... ...going to ask if you had a vintage *asciilifeform: i do, which one*... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-10-25 #trilema | 2017-10-25 ...knew it was psychotisable! *asciilifeform introduced at one* point... ...crying on the bench *asciilifeform: prolly wife of one* of them rebels... ...futures. mircea_popescu: hm. *asciilifeform: i for one* didn't ship... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-26 tmsr - Log 2018-01-26 ...text.mircea_popescu: *asciilifeform half of one*, yes. needs... ...2018-01-26 16:34 *asciilifeform: but conceivably one* day there will... ...now go.asciilifeform: but *asciilifeform for one* will read his vtron... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-21 tmsr - Log 2018-05-21 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-05-20 ⏐ ︎2018-05-22... ...otron in the wild!*asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: classiest one* to date... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27 tmsr - Log 2019-02-27 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-02-26 ⏐ ︎2019-02-28... ...sweet, thxmod6: thanks *asciilifeform; the one* thing that changed... ...17:57 mod6: thanks *asciilifeform; the one* thing that changed... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-08 tmsr - Log 2018-08-08 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-08-07 ⏐ ︎2018-08-09... ...sans wot, but it's there )BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: This one*... ...remarkable about him ?BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: He is the one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-11 tmsr - Log 2019-06-11 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-06-10 ⏐ ︎2019-06-12... ...mircea_popescu: when was this ?*asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03 tmsr - Log 2017-09-03 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-09-02 ⏐ ︎2017-09-04... ...recipe... )mircea_popescu: *asciilifeform and yet one*-eyed beggar... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08 tmsr - Log 2017-08-08 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-08-07 ⏐ ︎2017-08-09... ...phf: is that from the same guy?*asciilifeform: all same one* yeaphf... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-17 tmsr - Log 2018-12-17 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-12-16 ⏐ ︎2018-12-18... ...s , 8192bit : 10.766s .*asciilifeform: ( for ~what~ one* might want... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-21 tmsr - Log 2019-08-21 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-08-20 ⏐ ︎2019-08-22... ...style & grace. *asciilifeform: lobbes: one* translation asciilifeform... ...2019-01-02 11:38:20 *asciilifeform: if one* absolutely insists... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02 tmsr - Log 2017-02-02 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-02-01 ⏐ ︎2017-02-03... ...Dutch is any good. *asciilifeform: awww just one*?mircea_popescu... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-30 tmsr - Log 2019-07-30 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-07-29 ⏐ ︎2019-07-31... ...common' here ?*asciilifeform: i only know one*, i.e. ANSI INCITS... ...implant come with a bra ?*asciilifeform: there was at one* time a place... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09?ss=1927022&se=1927024 #trilema | 2019-08-09 ...1926616 << *asciilifeform for one* would defo enjoy to read trinque's... ...17:00:59 *asciilifeform: there aint one*. asciilifeform: bvt: funnily... ...bound for # of msgs in day ? *asciilifeform: there aint one* bvt: well... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09 #trilema | 2019-08-09 ...1926616 << *asciilifeform for one* would defo enjoy to read trinque's... ...17:00:59 *asciilifeform: there aint one*. asciilifeform: bvt: funnily... ...bound for # of msgs in day ? *asciilifeform: there aint one* bvt: well... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2016-07-21 #trilema | 2016-07-21 ...q=mjolnir *asciilifeform: but afaik no one* sells it ben_vulpes... ...single-nine chip process. *asciilifeform: this is one* of the reasons... ...jordan pearson" shithead. *asciilifeform: which one*... http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2017-10-06 #trilema | 2017-10-06 ...supposedly, to buy the littleblackrifle *asciilifeform: ( the one*... ...recall his working on it ? *asciilifeform: he posted one* asciilifeform... ...choir invisible ? *asciilifeform: these folx trample one* another... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-08-08 #trilema | 2018-08-08 ... ...sans wot, but it's there ) BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: This one*... ...remarkable about him ? BingoBoingo: *asciilifeform: He is the one*... http://log.b-a.link/?date=27-06-2015 #bitcoin-assets log ...03:52:51 *asciilifeform: died, iirc, of one* too many 'immortality... ...21:30:24 *asciilifeform: nah that one's* bog-simple anatomically 21:30... ...home world. 23:40:34 *asciilifeform: that one's* american 23:40:37... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016 #bitcoin-assets log ...huh 00:16:44 mod6: *asciilifeform (who is one* arm shy of this job) 00... ...fuse also! 17:23:31 *asciilifeform: and if one* opencircuits ? 17:23:38... ...sure. 18:01:43 *asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one* of the other things... http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2017-12-13 #trilema | 2017-12-13 ...right. *asciilifeform would luvv one*. *asciilifeform: my current one*... ...Romanian, lol *asciilifeform: that one* is no accident, is named for the canonical 1950s-70s su chainsaw *asciilifeform: the one* with lawn... http://trilema.com/2014/lets-invent-a-new-game/ Let's invent a new game! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. It all started as all good things start these days : on irc.i cads Hey guys, are you familiar with the multi-armed bandit problem... ...epsilon to 8-epsilon. *asciilifeform 'Read one* character at a time'... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-26 tmsr - Log 2017-09-26 log☇︎ ← ︎2017-09-25 ⏐ ︎2017-09-27... ...visual virus ?*asciilifeform: nopeasciilifeform: that one* was called... ...sorry: you're not in my WoT :)*asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one* time... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03 tmsr - Log 2017-08-03 ...lulz. ☟︎☟︎☟︎*asciilifeform: phf ^ is he one*... ...a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:39 *asciilifeform: phf ^ is he one*... ...plus backup reconstitution time )*asciilifeform: but ideally one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14 tmsr - Log 2018-09-14 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-09-13 ⏐ ︎2018-09-15... ...ty BingoBoingo !*asciilifeform: diana_coman: if one* receives an old... ...chupas bien" ☟︎*asciilifeform: Mocky: asciilifeform at one* time... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-21 tmsr - Log 2019-01-21 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-01-20 ⏐ ︎2019-01-22... ...etc.mircea_popescu: *asciilifeform this particular one* entirely... ...back in early 90s ?*asciilifeform: dun recallmircea_popescu: one*... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-01 tmsr - Log 2018-02-01 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-01-31 ⏐ ︎2018-02-02... ...*asciilifeform: fwiw one* can also define these like a barbarian, as x... http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29 tmsr - Log 2019-06-29 log☇︎ ← ︎2019-06-28 ⏐ ︎2019-06-30... ...mid-century US? ☟︎*asciilifeform: cuz evidently no one* there can... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-17 tmsr - Log 2018-10-17 log☇︎ ← ︎2018-10-16 ⏐ ︎2018-10-18... ...one?*asciilifeform: lolBingoBoingo: There is one* known... http://btcbase.org/log/?date=22-11-2014 tmsr - Log 2014-11-22 ...cockroaches? mice ?*asciilifeform: for shitgnomes, only one* correct... ...economics of spamming ?*asciilifeform: hmmasciilifeform: the one*... ...licensed automobile manufacturers' ?*asciilifeform: the one* h. ford...